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@jseakle so i also nod along to the first bit, but immediately swerve to a horrified face for the second bit. here's some things I think this analysis is missing...Permalink Look on archive.org
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@jseakle i'm not convinced that there's an especially strong match between the popular conception of "trad" and what has actually been around for a long time. popular conceptions of history reveal as much about modern points of view as they do historical viewpoints.Permalink Look on archive.org
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@jseakle (or views on ancient history are coloured by less ancient history. the Romans & Greeks are salient because of Western intellectual traditions that revered "the Classics". but other ancient cultures are available & our view on the Romans is coloured by that pticlar historiography)Look on archive.org
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@jseakle the other thing is that this flattens our the power struggles inherent in any particular society. these traditions were good: for who? who benefitted from them, who had more power to shape them, whose voices are we listening to?Permalink Look on archive.org
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@jseakle i think both of these factors can lead you in quite an honest way to a racist & sexist place. but it's also possible to start from a racist & sexist place and then work back to "trad" as a way of laundering those opinions. which is why my Very Sus Face at the turn.Permalink Look on archive.org
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@jseakle will also say... the rationalist community doesn't have the best of reputations when it comes to not being racist or sexist (or in not throwing up clouds of justification & verbiage when accused of that). so that part kinda carries over.Permalink Look on archive.org